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Pinky
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Post subject: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:55 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:55 pm Posts: 52 Location: North Carolina Scooter: Buddy Italia 50cc
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Here is a question I have wanted to ask on this forum for quite a long time. Have you heard a recommendation to turn your kill switch off when your scooter is not being used - like parked for several hours, or sitting overnight? I got my scooter - a used one - end of June 08. It was going perfectly every day, until about a month later it failed to start. I suspected a dead battery. I went to my local scooter repair place and described the symptoms. They confirmed the battery problem. They asked me to bring the battery over, they would charge it, and then test if it works properly. The next day the battery was fully re-charged, and they said it was good. I paid $6 . Before I left, the mechanic told me that many people didn't know that in some scooters the kill switch DEPLETES the battery fast, if not turned off when engine is off. Ever since then I dutifully turn the switch on and off. However, whenever I see a scooter parked (quite many in my area) I always check their kill switch. I haven't seen a single one, since July08, with kill switch off. Everyone has it ON. I would be interested to hear some opinions. 
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Catskill
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:59 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:29 pm Posts: 879 Location: The Catskills, NY Scooter: 1961 FLi 175 Lambro, 07' BLACK GTS 250 ie, 07'Piaggio BV 500
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I always kill my kill switch after I turn the key to shut off my scooter. I've (knock on wood) never had any battery problems with my vespa or my piaggio.
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DeejayDebi
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:58 pm Posts: 1725 Location: Norwich, CT Scooter: 2003 Honda Reflex 250cc 2008 FMS Shadow Bumblebee I & II
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I alway hit the kill switch then turn the key. Either way will work
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Alter
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:29 am |
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Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:45 pm Posts: 1138 Location: SoCal Scooter: Burgman 400, SYM HD200 Triumph Bonneville SE
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Never heard of it but if it works for you I'd go with it. I don't use my kill switch, no dead battery.
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Ellen
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:56 am |
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:56 pm Posts: 4038 Location: Bethel, CT Scooter: Piaggio BV200, Genuine Buddy 125
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I've never intentionally used my kill switch. Now unintentionally, yes Never had battery issues.
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Wrenna
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:22 pm |
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Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:37 am Posts: 534 Location: OR Scooter: Iris the Sportcity 250cc, Saki the Vespa Et2
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I always turn my scooter off by using the kill switch, so it's always in the off position when parked. I had trouble with my battery a month or two after buying mine too. Just a bad battery, probably had sat in storage for a while or something. I also ride very short distances for commuting which is hard on a battery. Now I try and make sure I go for longer rides once a week to help keep the battery charged.
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BlueBunny
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:24 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:03 pm Posts: 511 Location: Joisey Scooter: Vespa ET2, Aprillia Scarebeo Cent50
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I learned the hard way. I ALWAYS turn my kill switch off when not riding. ALWAYS.
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Alter
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:32 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:45 pm Posts: 1138 Location: SoCal Scooter: Burgman 400, SYM HD200 Triumph Bonneville SE
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BlueBunny wrote: I learned the hard way. I ALWAYS turn my kill switch off when not riding. ALWAYS. What did you learn?
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Ellen
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:45 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:56 pm Posts: 4038 Location: Bethel, CT Scooter: Piaggio BV200, Genuine Buddy 125
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OK, a question.
If your scooter is turned off and the key is removed, but the kill switch is not turned off, then what is draining the battery?
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BlueBunny
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:53 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:03 pm Posts: 511 Location: Joisey Scooter: Vespa ET2, Aprillia Scarebeo Cent50
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Alter wrote: BlueBunny wrote: I learned the hard way. I ALWAYS turn my kill switch off when not riding. ALWAYS. What did you learn? It's always possible that my mechanic made a mistake, but he claims that the electrical system on my ET2 will drain the battery if I leave the kill switch on. I did run down the battery a few times and found the kill switch on. I always turn it off now. Of course I always plug it into my trickle (auto cut off) battery when it's at home as well. I think the ET2 is a quirky little thing. But I love her anyway.
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Alter
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:20 am |
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Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:45 pm Posts: 1138 Location: SoCal Scooter: Burgman 400, SYM HD200 Triumph Bonneville SE
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My bad, didn't mean to insult you, your scooter or your mechanic. Sorry 
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Catskill
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:28 am |
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Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:29 pm Posts: 879 Location: The Catskills, NY Scooter: 1961 FLi 175 Lambro, 07' BLACK GTS 250 ie, 07'Piaggio BV 500
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The Kill switch was created as an American adaptation that is primarily meant for emergency situations to instantly turn off your engine. I agree with shutting it off when not riding. I haven't rode my scooters in months and they are parked in the Garage with their kill switch killed. Last week I started them both in the garage after about a month or so of not touching them and they both started up and stayed running fine.
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BlueBunny
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:25 am |
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Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:03 pm Posts: 511 Location: Joisey Scooter: Vespa ET2, Aprillia Scarebeo Cent50
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Alter wrote: My bad, didn't mean to insult you, your scooter or your mechanic. Sorry  Seriously? No offense taken. That's the problem with forums and emails. Even with smilies we can't see each other's facial expression and voice inflections. I have wondered myself if the mechanic in question knows what he's talking about sometimes. Like that weird rattling sound that he said was my license plate -- it isn't.  Maybe I have an invisible gremlin bell? The way I figure it, everyone's scooter has it's own "personality." What's good for me might not be appropriate for you and vice versa. But it's fun to share and read about everyone's individual experiences. Yes? 
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BlueBunny
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:29 am |
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Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:03 pm Posts: 511 Location: Joisey Scooter: Vespa ET2, Aprillia Scarebeo Cent50
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Ellen wrote: OK, a question.
If your scooter is turned off and the key is removed, but the kill switch is not turned off, then what is draining the battery? Yeah. I want to know the answer to that question as well. I used to drive an old Toyota when the Youngest Member was an infant. In my sleep deprived state I left the lights on several times. The key was out of the ignition. The car was turned off, parked and locked up. How come the light stayed on? And also, what would I have done without AAA?  my heroes. There are some things I will never understand. But I can play the piano. I can only hope that I'm not being taken advantage of by the mechanics of this world.
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Ruby Slippers
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Post subject: Re: Kill switch - keep it off when not riding? Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:33 pm |
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Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:28 pm Posts: 434 Location: Midwest Scooter: Vespa GTS
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I am just getting my scooter back from it's scheduled service and had to have the battery replaced. I asked the technician what may have killed the battery and he asked me if I have had it hooked up to a battery tender. I told him "No" and then asked him about this kill switch question. He said that he has heard talk of it but he didn't necessarily agree. With my scooter in particular, he told me to always keep it on the tender, especially in this cold weather. Who knows! I personally think that everyones scooter does have it's own quirks and if it avoids the problem for you, then do it! Ellen has posed a great question, though. With the scooter off and the kill switch unactivated, what is draining a scooter to where it would drain the battery? I am going to ask again, different technician next time to see what kind of answer I get.
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